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Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Sep 12, 2010, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by Aba

Awesome, you get it now.....
But no doubt you'll continue your epic posts

On that note glad to see the forums have ignore feature

go ahead and ignore me if you like to

i said before: i dont know it for sure, and i said we can talk about it on forums, as thats what forums are for
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/forum#English
bit of explaination

in case you cant find it:

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A place for discussion.
A gathering for the purpose of discussion.
A form of discussion involving a panel of presenters and often participation by members of the audience.
An Internet message board where users can post messages regarding one or more topics of discussion.

i NEVER said it'll be here, or that they have no choice but to do it

first read some posts back, then dont reply if you dont like replying, which you seem to like after all that

ignore me is weird, as you did reply so many times even though i warned you not to if you dont like it, tried to help, yet you like to ignore me (if you did)

anyway, i gave many reasons, just read back about what i think of it and why i want it
as some didnt see my reasons as my "personal" reasons, which i wanted to show, but as reasons for anyone, and why it MUST be done, which isnt the case at all

Cuilan · Sep 12, 2010, 01:03 AM // 01:03

Ayuhmii Shanbwa, your posts are beginning to be repetitive. Think most people already see what you want...

amitai · Sep 29, 2010, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

What leads you to believe the contary?

Since they definitely said it's not planned yet - and Regina confirmed this -, and we still haven't heard any news, I can safely assume nothing has changed about this topic. Nothing hints at anything different than that.

Also, again, I wonder if anyone actually listened to the Podcast (and understood something...): they were NOT talking about 7 heroes. This is one big misleading piece of information on which this whole thread is based. Stumme was questioned about it, he said it wouldn't hurt anyone, and then the interview moved on about other projects they're actually working on.

Again, trying to be realistic/optimistic. The current plans are rather extensive for such a small team already, so I don't think they want to bite more than they can chew. I'd actually be surprised if they can actually implement all those planned things - September was to see the launch of the Balance Update and also the next chapter of GW:B, which is supposed to follow the end of the Thackeray/Gwen story... - , let alone things not yet in the plans... So, even if 7 Heroes are somehow planned, it's likely a backburner project for now, and most probably postponed closer to the release of the sequel. Then, the implementation of 7 Heroes will become a top-priority, to allow people to keep playing the first game.

So, not ruling this out completely is being optimistic already...

now they started a survey and the last question was how would you feell playing with a party full of heroes

Gill Halendt · Sep 30, 2010, 07:02 AM // 07:02

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Originally Posted by amitai

now they started a survey and the last question was how would you feell playing with a party full of heroes

In a recent interview, Stumme even declared it's in "exploratory development", so they're definitely looking into it at last.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Sep 30, 2010, 10:17 AM // 10:17

yay for that survey
right before i gave up my hope about that to come, they made a question about it, meaning its more leaning towards an "active topic"

glad that alot of people agree with the "full hero teams" to come
just too bad that half of the people who dont care about it, like to vote "NO" for it, as they dont want everyone else having something they dont care about... like we dont deserve it, cuz they dont think its needed

oh well, there always will be people like that

anyway, enough ranting :P
i'm happy again, and if it comes, i'll be in GW like everyday
just too bad my sis cant fill it in, as we have same connections, and vote sites or topics dont allow from the same IP's, not only would we have bit more chance, but she also could say what she thinks about WiK

sry, i got carried away in my post a bit, lol

thanks for showing interest in our thoughts Anet

Saxxon Askanius · Sep 30, 2010, 11:18 PM // 23:18

Survey reactions

I hope Guild Wars 1 won't already going to be laundered with mainstream softener. I guess 80% will vote for more heroes, but will ArenaNet re-ballance the hard mode skills, mob positions, group sizes and AI? Hard mode is easy by now and I'm afraid that 7 heroes will be imba.

Welcome

snaek · Sep 30, 2010, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by ayuhmii shanbwa

just too bad that half of the people who dont care about it, like to vote "NO" for it, as they dont want everyone else having something they dont care about... like we dont deserve it, cuz they dont think its needed

yup, thats exactly why we're voting no; it has nothing to do with the fact that adding 7 heroes can have negative side-effects on the community and economy, or the fact that it steals development time away from things that we do want.

Crystal Of Winter · Sep 30, 2010, 11:51 PM // 23:51

The 7 hero idea isn't going to be any more OP'd from what we can do now which is either have 2 players +6 heroes or 2 players +6 heroes and 1 player leaves (I believe it's called hero renting/borrowing). So we can already have 6 heroes, I don't think 7 will be an issue, it will just be more convenient.

I reckon they will have to revamp the flagging design (see my other post about formations) unless they're happy with 7 buttons placed under the radar.

Jeydra · Oct 01, 2010, 01:23 AM // 01:23

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Originally Posted by Saxxon Askanius

Survey reactions

I hope Guild Wars 1 won't already going to be laundered with mainstream softener. I guess 80% will vote for more heroes, but will ArenaNet re-ballance the hard mode skills, mob positions, group sizes and AI? Hard mode is easy by now and I'm afraid that 7 heroes will be imba.

If 7 heroes are imba what is 8 humans + consumables @_@

Daesu · Oct 01, 2010, 05:23 AM // 05:23

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Originally Posted by Crystal Of Winter

The 7 hero idea isn't going to be any more OP'd from what we can do now which is either have 2 players +6 heroes or 2 players +6 heroes and 1 player leaves (I believe it's called hero renting/borrowing). So we can already have 6 heroes, I don't think 7 will be an issue, it will just be more convenient.

Actually I have been doing 6 heroes. I dont even need to rent since I have a laptop so 2 computers beside each other.

The other player doesn't even need to leave, it just tags along by pressing space bar and it brings non-targeting skills like wards, spirits, minions so I only needed to press 1-2-3. It is more powerful than just having 6 heroes and I get double the drops plus twice the experience/factions/reputation.

Although having 7 heroes would impact me less than most other players, I am still supportive of it and it would definitely benefit this game.

jazilla · Oct 01, 2010, 05:31 AM // 05:31

the thing about 7 heroes that everyone here needs to remember is that gw1 is going to be DEAD when gw2 is out. what happens to the people that need Duncan for legendary master of the north? Answer: 7 heroes. Everyone here who posts regularly doesn't need to worry about this at all because you will all be playing GW2 lol.

Lishy · Oct 01, 2010, 05:42 AM // 05:42

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

If 7 heroes are imba what is 8 humans + consumables @_@

Ha ha ha, the one argument to end all arguments.

I'm sorry, but to put it bluntly, most of the arguments against 7 heroes are quite illogical. Anything a hero can do, a human can do better. There for, even if heroes had PvE skills, it would not many the game any easier.

Gill Halendt · Oct 01, 2010, 07:38 AM // 07:38

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Originally Posted by Lishy

Ha ha ha, the one argument to end all arguments.

I'm sorry, but to put it bluntly, most of the arguments against 7 heroes are quite illogical. Anything a hero can do, a human can do better. There for, even if heroes had PvE skills, it would not many the game any easier.

Anything 8 humans can do, 1 human with his own 7 heroes can do almost as good. 1:8 proportion. That's not illogical at all.

Just saying. I don't think it's enough to be against it, but I see their point.

Daesu · Oct 01, 2010, 07:49 AM // 07:49

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Anything 8 humans can do, 1 human with his own 7 heroes can do almost as good. 1:8 proportion. That's not illogical at all.

Anything? Ok, try beating the UW SC record or even any of the SC record held by a full team of humans, with 6 heroes + 2 humans today. I don't think you can even come close to their times even with 7 heroes.

If heroes are so powerful why do they suck so much against a full human team with cons and pve skills? The answer must be that heroes are not as powerful as human players. They may be more convenient and reliable, but certainly not as powerful as a human player with cons+pve skills.

Gill Halendt · Oct 01, 2010, 08:58 AM // 08:58

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Anything? Ok, try beating the UW SC record or even any of the SC record held by a full team of humans, with 6 heroes + 2 humans today. I don't think you can even come close to their times even with 7 heroes.

If heroes are so powerful why do they suck so much against a full human team with cons and pve skills? The answer must be that heroes are not as powerful as human players. They may be more convenient and reliable, but certainly not as powerful as a human player with cons+pve skills.

- Had your read the entire post befor hitting "Quote", you would have realized that I never said 7-heroes teams would be OP. Altough valid, I even said this argument isn't enough to be against it. Oh, well...
- 8 humans-party are not the norm. You're comparing what would become an everyday possibility (1 human + 7 heroes) with a rare occurrence for a lot of players.
- SCs again are not the norm. SCs are rather broken by themselves and out of context here. Time records mean jack, most of the people asking for 7-heroes have regular PvE in mind (like WiK/GW:B stuff, dungeons and elite-areas). People off course won't be using heroes to make Speed Clears faster. If that was about it, well then, I'd regret sustaining this idea and agree with people saying it would be nocive for aggregation and for whatever's left of the "economy".
- Cons + PvE skills again are not the norm. A lot of players in the need for 7 heroes just don't bother about cons and want a relaxed and more efficient way to play solo, without relying on henchmen or PuGs, because they either don't have a very active guild or friends, or simply because they have different game needs. In this scenario, the game will indeed be made "easier" (more accessible) and move people away from aggregation. That's fine with me tough.
- Most of the cons available in game go on heroes too.
- Comparing the most efficient (and borderline overpowered) setup among the current PvE playstyles - which is a full party of 8 humans using cons + PvE skills to speed-clear elite areas - to 7 heroes parties playing random PvE easier than before is like saying that speeding in a Lotus won't have your licence suspended because your car is not a Ferrari and can't hit 1-100 in less than 4 seconds. SCs shouldn't even exist IMO, so comparing anything to something that broken makes no sense.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Oct 01, 2010, 10:07 AM // 10:07

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Originally Posted by snaek

yup, thats exactly why we're voting no; it has nothing to do with the fact that adding 7 heroes can have negative side-effects on the community and economy, or the fact that it steals development time away from things that we do want.

to make myself clear, i said "half of the people...." not everyone

now that i made myself clear (i hope)....

i must agree with the fact that human parties always can be way better than 1 player + 7 heroes, but nowadays i cant find such groups

tbh, nowadays i only have 1 friend left who isnt busy all the time
most other friends left the game long ago, and the few othersv who didnt leave, are always too busy

for me the game is hard, but even i like to do more dungeons, and 7 heroes can make it easier to play the game i want, it wont make the game itself any easier

and as said, the 7 heroes (4 extra) can repolace the pugs/friends/guilds to team up with, as many guilds i've seen died, and most others i've seen are not active enough to call em guilds, IMO

i know many people who would play the game more often if we can use 7 heroes, then i could see some friends back again

well thats my post, as i have nothing with SC's and such, i just like to do the game the normal way, like no runs or such

1st things i'd do are vq proph, explore proph and try some dungeons when we have the full hero teams

Gill Halendt · Oct 01, 2010, 10:24 AM // 10:24

I don't believe this implementation is subtracting any development time from "stuff we really want". Looks like 7-heroes is one of the most eagerly awaited additions to the game, so it's actually something a huge portion of the playerbase actually wants, likely more than reworked skills, game fixes or even new playable content.

Tommy's · Oct 01, 2010, 10:36 AM // 10:36

I think for people that find this game hard, will not get alot of aid from more heroes. Because people that find this game still hard, probably have bad builds, and will give those bad builds to their heroes. And then one could wonder if the henchman wouldnt even be better then your heroes... The henchman received new builds not so long ago, which aren't all that bad. They do enough of a good job to do HM dungeons with them, even Frostmaws.

And if you copy builds for your heroes straight from wiki and still find this game too hard (those PvX builds aren't the best, but they dont suck) then you are probably so much of an "Iseeenemieschargeeee!!" kinda player that even 7 heroes can't save you..

So I don't think 7 heroes would be that overpowered or something. And like many mentioned, players are still better then heroes (at least some players are). Just gogo find an active guild. And besides, 2 players + 6 heroes are still better then 7 heroes, since you can double some heroes. I normally do dungeons with a team of 5 ritualist, 1 para and 2 necro's, being me and 4 heroes rits. Thats not possible with 7 heroes, unless Anet decides to give us 2 more Rit heroes.

So to make a small conclusion.. I wouldn't use the 7 heroes very often, since I don't do much storyline anymore, and for HM dungeons I prefer some company with me anyway. So I wouldn't be against 7 heroes at all, but I'd rather have Anet spend their time on GW:Beyond and balancing the game.

Saxxon Askanius · Oct 01, 2010, 10:39 AM // 10:39

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Anything 8 humans can do, 1 human with his own 7 heroes can do almost as good. *And of course everyone will play alone.* That's not illogical at all.

Just saying. I don't think it's enough to be against it, but I see their point.

That's just what i wanted to point out. I didn't say I'd be against 7 heroes, but you may scratch off the Guild in the name then...

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

If 7 heroes are imba what is 8 humans + consumables @_@

It's the easy mode.

Ellix Cantero · Oct 01, 2010, 10:46 AM // 10:46

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

glad that alot of people agree with the "full hero teams" to come
just too bad that half of the people who dont care about it, like to vote "NO" for it, as they dont want everyone else having something they dont care about... like we dont deserve it, cuz they dont think its needed

I'm relatively certain that anyone who plays PvE at all will vote yes to that question.